Month: March 2011

Today I walked two portions of the Atlanta Beltline with the ITE Young Members committee.  We saw some interesting stuff.  Here’s a sample:

Crossposted from Talking Traffic. Please leave comments over there.

Last weekend, I attended Momocon at Georgia Tech, primarily to see The Extraordinary Contraptions play. ((Momocon is an Anime convention and what I know about Anime can be fit onto a 3×5 index card)) I went down a bit early from the start time so I could wander around that part of Midtown Atlanta and just see what could be seen (and take pictures).

I happened across this particular situation in an alley.

I noticed the eroded watercourse as I walked over it and looked to see where it was coming from. I followed the water back to the hole in the concrete wall shown on the top left of the image. You can see a closeup of the hole in the following image.

You’ll notice that this hole was not created at the time the wall was constructed. You can see rebar within the hole and it’s a rough-hewn rectangle. It’s obvious that someone came along and knocked it out to allow for water to leave the parking lot and drain away. There has been significant erosion underneath the hole. You can see a line on the wall where the level of ground used to be. This has all been caused by the drainage from the parking lot.

Here’s a picture of the parking lot.

You can see, in the center of this image where some debris is against the wall, the low point in the parking lot where the hole was knocked out of the wall to allow water to escape. It’s hard to tell elevations from this picture but when I was standing there, it was obvious that without some sort of drain inlet, the parking lot would develop a very deep pond until the water could seep through the cracks in the asphalt.

This image shows where the water eventually ends up going. It drains across the alley and into a drop inlet where I assume it meanders its way through the Atlanta stormwater system to the Chattahoochee. ((You can also see an attractive woman who is suffering from a charisma modifier of -5 because she’s smoking. Why do people smoke anymore? I don’t get it! It’s expensive, a lot of people like me find it a huge turn off, and it’s being aggressively shoved out the door and into the street. Oh, and it will kill you))

Questions that immediately jumped to mind when I saw this were:

• What are the legalities of the owner of the parking lot arbitrarily knocking a hole into the wall (which is owned and maintained, I’m sure, by the parking lot)? Should a permit have been obtained? Is there anything actually unlawful about this situation?
• Who owns the swath of land between that wall and the alley? If it’s the owner of the lot, then I don’t think there’s anything going on here that is wrong, per se, although the condition of the eroded drainage course isn’t something that qualifies as “good”.
• What are the permit responsibilities for property owners within the City of Atlanta for maintaining the drainage of their properties? Is the property owner responsible for the damage that the water is causing to the alley or is that the city’s responsibility?

Now, if I were the City, I’d want to make it the property owner’s responsibility to address the problems I see in these images. There’s obviously too much water coming through that drainage hole to be handled by a grass or dirt drainage course. The erosion demonstrates that. There should be a properly piped outlet or paved ditch that takes the water to the stormwater drainage ((This feature is what we call the difference between sheet flow and concentrated flow. Sheet flow is what you get from water draining over ground without being concentrated by natural or built features. Think a hillside or a smooth parking lot. Concentrated flow is just that, where water is channeled into a course, such as a ditch or a pipe and becomes concentrated. Concentrated flow can be very destructive if not properly handled)). Unfortunately for the property owner, I can tell that there would have to be some significant pipe installation to address the drainage here. You couldn’t just pave a ditch from the hole to the drop inlet because that would cross the alley, impeding traffic. The most proper way would be to take the water into a pipe, which is installed underground and connected to the box the drop inlet is attached to.

If I were the property owner, I’d want the city to handle and maintain the drainage because that’s an expensive proposition. From my own experience ((very limited. I haven’t handled much in the way of local jurisdictional permitting and nothing to do with site plans and drainage)) I’d say that if this became an issue, the property owner would be stuck with the cost of addressing this problem. I think there are plenty of city ordinances and regulations that would place the onus on the property owner.

But would such a condition arise unless someone made an issue? Probably not. I mean, the only reason I happened to be talking about this is because I was walking down the alley and noticed it. The drop inlet to which the water was draining seemed to be functioning fairly well (although a lot of that sand-colored stone you see in the image was piled up on leaves and other debris, blocking half the grate). So long as the amount of water being handled by the inlet exceeds the amount coming off the parking lot and alley, no problems will occur to the other property owners adjacent to this drainage feature, notably the apartments and houses on the left side of the image.

I took a close look at that drop inlet to see if it had been overwhelmed during our last rain incident and it seemed like no problems had occurred. However, the inlet is in a slight declivity, which is the low point of the alley, but not the low point of the entire area. There is a small berm, shown against the rock wall in the mid-bottom-left of the image above. The other side of that berm is the back yard of a private residence which slopes toward the house, and not toward the alley. If enough water comes to that drop inlet to overwhelm its capacity (and that’s easy to do if it has a clogged grate) then the majority of that water could spill over the berm and into that yard.

The clever or close-reading among you will immediately object to the inference I’m drawing here: “But the amount of water going to that drop inlet is independent of whether that parking lot has a properly designed outlet!”

This is true. However, let’s postulate the following: The homeowner was flooded because the drop inlet couldn’t handle the rainfall because it was blocked. Who’s fault is that? The city’s because it didn’t properly maintain the inlet or the adjacent parking lot for causing a condition that drove significant amounts of material into the inlet?

That, of course, would be something for the courts to decide.

It may be that these questions have already been answered. I’m not experienced with City permitting and drainage/erosion/stormwater issues. That’s more of site engineer’s bailiwick than an transportation engineer’s. These are the kinds of things I think about as I move around our built areas ((Yes, I’m a geek)).

Even with crappy lighting and a weird and echo-ey setting, these guys sound good.

A few other images at my flickr set

I’ve not been doing much besides working eating and sleeping the last while. During that time I compiled quite a list of “things to blog about”. In order to clear the backlog, I present

A list of things I thought were interesting over the past week which I didn’t have time to blog about and is presented with little (if any) comment

• There’s irony in the title of this Lifehacker posting entitled Limit Visits to Timewasting Websites…
• Bill Hammack “The Engineer Guy” explains smoke detectors and MOSFETS
• Everybody needs a Pirate Ship Bedroom complete with secret passages
  Senator Saxby Chambliss (R-Georgia) has written a bill that (as I read it) gives the military the authority to seize and hold anyone who becomes classified as an “Unprivileged Enemy Belligerent”. Ok, you say, that seems reasonable, except that the bill specifically makes it location UNspecific. Thus anyone seized anywhere by any authority, including local and state jurisdictions within the United States, can be locked away in a military prison with no recourse. Including Citizens. No, I do not approve.
• An absolutely fabulous hand-drawing of one artist’s interpretation of the history of science fiction. Make sure you really look around at the details
• A comic, depicting some of the hypocrisies of the current US Federal Budget debate.
• A fascinating picture from the Japan earthquake. Why did the road peel apart right down the middle?
• An interesting graph of United States GDP growth since 1871